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Jul 5, 2004 20:05:36 GMT -5
Post by oldskool on Jul 5, 2004 20:05:36 GMT -5
Hey people last year i got an 89 celica gt in prestine condition with 180,000 k's and a recent rebuilt tranny. Now a few months ago my dad helped me buy and put in a japenese 3sfe i got it 4 the cheap price of $500cdnb which also has extremly low kms now the engine is imaculate but all i hear is bad talk about the gt engine and how everything is basically garbage apart from the 3sge ,3sgte isn't ther anything which can be done to this engine to get a decent amount of power out of it i hear and read all type of s*** about how it can't handle any power so on and so on but my dad has a japenese friend which says the block has alot of potential, i personally think it has alot of power to begin i noticed a big amount of difference between it and my older engine can some one please help cause everyone else is in to the gts or alltrac's i'm looking for hp and torque figures the block can possibly handle also the other suff like cams,gears, timing ,custom turbo, port and polish etc. i don't want pheonomanal (i think i spelt that right) amounts of power jus a little something something to set me aside from some. Your help will be much apreciated thanx.
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Jul 5, 2004 21:00:22 GMT -5
Post by taticelica on Jul 5, 2004 21:00:22 GMT -5
I dont know of really much you can do with it...but you could turbo the fe.....I dont know if you will get a lot out of it....there is supposed to be a diy write-up on the site but its not up. I dont know a lot about the block itself but I dont know if it has much.....but it is a JDM which I would think to be better.
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Jul 5, 2004 22:47:39 GMT -5
Post by blck87gtconv on Jul 5, 2004 22:47:39 GMT -5
W00t! another member of the 3sfe fan club! haha... Aside from the POS design of the TPS, it is definitely a solid platform (bulletproof, some say). It does NOT handle boost well at all, And if you wanted to boost it, this is the wrong forum. Port and polish helps every engine breathe easier (which is good). You can get a header for a 5sfe (engines are practically identical), and match the ports up... it'll bolt right on. Apparently the 5sfe camshafts are better than the 3sfe versions.. and in theory, they drop right in. (I haven't tested this yet, but want to). The intake manifold is mad horrible.. we're pretty limited in that territory, unless you want to take your stock one off, and use it to make a custom manifold that does a better job of delivering air to the head. Of course, there are valve mods (but that's a lot of money for what you're trying to do), and ignition mods, which are always nice.. nothing beats a smoothly running engine. Exhaust work helps as well. A short ram in a custom-made air box that pull air from the fender is a better design than a CAI (although more complex to make) for an intake system. I hope I've gotten you off to a good start with some ideas.. keep in touch. -Jason
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Jul 6, 2004 21:37:12 GMT -5
Post by 86er on Jul 6, 2004 21:37:12 GMT -5
The 3sfe block is the same as the 3sge. The only difference is the head, and some timing equipment.
I'd say, stick with your JDM 3sfe, and give it a tune up, header, intack, and some fuel inhancements and that baby will bo good to go.
Or if you want more power, get a 3sge head, and put that on your JDM short block, loweres the compression, and makes some decent power, with all the changed stuff, your looking at about 6-700$'s.
What is your price range?
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Jul 7, 2004 15:13:43 GMT -5
Post by blck87gtconv on Jul 7, 2004 15:13:43 GMT -5
Andy, there is a lot more of a difference than you think. The basic engine design is the same, but the short blocks are very much different. Even so, not everyone is up to pulling the head and wiring harness just for 15hp.. and that's optimistic. -Jason
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Jul 17, 2004 22:53:45 GMT -5
Post by Joel87GT on Jul 17, 2004 22:53:45 GMT -5
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Jul 18, 2004 13:38:35 GMT -5
Post by 86er on Jul 18, 2004 13:38:35 GMT -5
No one called this guy on this?
I'll be the one.
Bull shit. I looked at your mods, and frankly, it's not even posible to beat a 3sgte celica, unless they didn't know how to drive it.
You have a ported and polished head, intake manifold, and a rebuilt head.
ME TOO.
And the other mods, no way can your 3sfe make it all the way up to 8000rpm's. My 3sge only goes to 7000rpm's, and that is fucking choking it off.
And as for the 150mph, thats bull shit. The tranny will only let you go about 140, and that is about when your at red line.
If your going to show off, dont put it so over the top that no one believes you.
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Jul 18, 2004 20:04:30 GMT -5
Post by Joel87GT on Jul 18, 2004 20:04:30 GMT -5
No disrespect. I havent read about your setups but to attain the 150 mark you better have a good tranney. Having a stock tranney your clutch will melt at 150 probably start at 140. You could smell it if you held that speed more than 4minutes coming to a stop. Dude - Im' not laying this on thick but if you raced me you would be surprised. At 8000rpms my engine doesnt choke nor does the engine lite temp come on for high temp. If you paced me .. how long could you stay along side of me. Fudd Im not BSing..
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Jul 18, 2004 20:29:07 GMT -5
Post by 86er on Jul 18, 2004 20:29:07 GMT -5
I dont have a Stock Clutch.
I have a stage 2 clutch, in aticipation for the turbo i'm adding here soon.
I'm not tring to make you feel bad, but what did you do to your speed limiter? And don't say you took it off.
What part of Canada are you in? I'll be glad to come up there and race you.
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Jul 18, 2004 22:05:51 GMT -5
Post by White87GT on Jul 18, 2004 22:05:51 GMT -5
Ok, I'm gonna throw some facts out, then let you guys go at it. *The S-53 tranny can go that fast. Ask Jeremy, he's done that speed more times than I can count. *The 3S-FE probably shouldn't be taken to 8000 RPMS. It doesn't flow that well up there anyways. *The speed limiter CAN be disabled, just forget about cruise control. Doesn't sound like you guys need it anyways. *Timeslips ALWAYS help in this area, either of you guys actually have them? *150 MPH? That's FASSSST for a FE. Joel, a couple of questions man..... *How much does that thing weight? *Do you have any idea on dyno results? *Timeslips? That's all for now, keep it nice when arguing about this guys. You've been ok, let's just not let this get outta hand. Consider it a warning I guess. We're all Celi owners. ;D
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Jul 18, 2004 22:14:33 GMT -5
Post by Joel87GT on Jul 18, 2004 22:14:33 GMT -5
The speed limited cuts off the ignition coil at 112mph. So.... I cut the speed limiter from the ECU onced I installed my MSD 6AL. Due to my pacesetters I got this year. I can rev up past 8K rpm easy... -I wont do that w/o engine Load. ???Im sorry I havent introduced myself since I joined this site. This site is awesome and well placed 4g. information. I do not want to tarnish or degrade this site by being a bad apple or seed. I want this site to be credible to other 4g owners. I hope to share my experience and teachings from a place I learned from VA Beach, thats 2486Miles away.. A place called toyota heaven off TomCat Blvd a 2miles away from NAS OCEANA. It was the best Celica hang out of 4th Gens. Every weekend I would stop by there. I would see Charles and his gang working on Corrolla SR5s 4AGEz, Celica 4th gens 3sge, 5sge, 3sgte and Supras 7MGTE. Dude the place was like a Monster Garage. The shop didnt follow oem specifications - they were hell of welding modders. Not only did they work on engines they did body work too. Charles who owned the garage was jamican working 3 jobs at the time who opened his garage for about 4years when i met him. The place he called toyota heaven is where I got most of my learnings. I have watched them overhauled engines with awe. If anyting I learned... he told me to hold my chin up and take pride in my celica. He told me, "You know for a 3sfe, it's very competive against my 3sgte 89 alltrac." Im tellin ya his alltrac is no joke - its gutted out with aftermarket mods he welded and ginded himself. When I raced him I had my 2.5exhaust, P/P, eRam, Centerforced Dual Clutch (I didnt have my headers installed yet) , and gutted out CAT oem exhaust manifold at 25pds. I also had my celica test driven by Certified Toyota Techs at Charles Barker Toyota at VA Beach. He even went online to IHAYES and posted the results of driving my celica. He said it was very fast comparable to a Celica GTS at 180HP and that it had great power to weight ratio to 7Gs. The toyota certified tech enjoyed driving my celica....
I had alot to learn from many veterans esp from reading IHAYES msg board....toyotacelicaonline.com. I never got accepted there becaus that site is strictly oem bias. My mods was toooo eccentric to belong to that group. If you want me to strike out the 150mark .. I will do it. The last thing I want is not to BS anyone here. I think its cool that you plan to do a 3sgte. I plan do it sometime soon when I buy another 4g celica -maybe a alltrac 89. Alltracs are hard to find... As of right now Im still working on my 3sfe GT. I didnt mean to come off that I was better than all the gens but for the better its the best HONDA/Eclipse RS/GST killer i know so far. I have designed my gt for top end and the 4Gens are best at that aerodyanmically. 8-)Peace
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Jul 18, 2004 22:27:59 GMT -5
Post by Joel87GT on Jul 18, 2004 22:27:59 GMT -5
:DI'm new the Phoenix AZ area. I just learned that Jermey is a AZ resident. So I hope to touch base with him down the road once he gets back from FL. When it gets cooler here over this dredded summer. I plan on hitting the 1/4 in phoenix off Thunderbird Road something. Got find out where it is on MapQuest. Who knows - maybe we all can meet at the next NOPI event in the West Coast or maybe at ATOM. :)Last I remember my car weighed in under 2250 pounds with the pacesetters. Installing the coilover also reduced the weight by another 25pds I think. To be sure I do plan on getting weighed and time slips. Just been busy.
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Jul 18, 2004 22:30:27 GMT -5
Post by White87GT on Jul 18, 2004 22:30:27 GMT -5
What else is letting you get that high man? 8K is a shitload of RPM's for the FE. It redlines at 6K stock.
What else has been done to the head exactly? I know the stock head doesn't flow that well up there at all.
I'm honestly interested.
And welcome to the boards man. ;D
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Jul 18, 2004 22:42:40 GMT -5
Post by Joel87GT on Jul 18, 2004 22:42:40 GMT -5
What else is letting you get that high man? 8K is a shitload of RPM's for the FE. It redlines at 6K stock. What else has been done to the head exactly? I know the stock head doesn't flow that well up there at all. I'm honestly interested. And welcome to the boards man. ;D If you read my site... You will shit. Balance N/A. P/P, pacesetter Headers, 2.5" mandrake pipe, Randomtechnology CAT for V8s, V8 Muffler from Midas, and a great adjustable suspension koni style and dropzones. Damn, Im gonna hate to say this but alot has to do with the eRAM. Its an electricsupercharger that supplements my air at higher RPMs at 935CFM. ;DNow before you read and say ahhhhh shet. Just read about the mods i used. I know they are hard to believe I can only share from my experience now. Right, Im getting an Assusie Foster beer. So I can sleep easy. Yup work. I will post later goodnite.
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Jul 18, 2004 23:30:49 GMT -5
Post by Jeremy on Jul 18, 2004 23:30:49 GMT -5
I would really like a ride in this FE cause the highest I had gotten my 3S-FE with stroking it to 2.2 litre, headers, custom welded intake, high compression pistons about 11.5:1 oversized valves 3 angle valve job ported & polished, reground cams to about 260 degrees duration, & full JDM 3S-GE harness & ECU with the GE injectors, custom fuel rail & a walbro TT supra pump was about 180hp & I couldn't take it over 7,000 rpms & it ran like shit at idle or below 2000rpms & I had a Camry s53 which had a even lower ratio & I couldn't go any faster than 130mph, I switched in a celica GT tranny & about 125 was max, then a GTS tranny & I could hit 140 but that was at 7400rpms. The FE engine really isn't good for high HP, & another thing I noticed is that I would like to see that FE hold up at 8000rpms for 20 secs, The valve shims would fly out & destroy the head you would have to set your valve adjustment to like .002 - .006 to get away with 8000 rpms in a FE head. If You can turn 8 grand I would love to see what you have done, & I hope you have done some modification to allow it to hit 8k fairly often without blowing it to peices. I mean really the only engine toyota ever built that can safely handle 8 grand without some major modifications to the mechanicals of the engine is the 4A-GE, you can rev the shit out of those things without a hint of problems, I revved a 20valve 4a-ge to 8500rpm about everyday never had a problem for 2 years. So please enlighten us with the modifications you made to the fe for it to handle 8k
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