Hit me with your questions

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I'll say this.. when I had my 3000GT VR4, that engine was so complex, that the visual inspection guys would just stare at it, shrug and pass me. Especially with all the wiring covers and shrouds bolted on. They had no clue.

[racerb]

Yeah your right, in little towns like mine, these good ol' boys don't work on to many furrin' carz, so they don't have a clue what to look for. All inspection stations are supposed to have qualified techs, but some are only up to date on what GM, Ford, and Dodge are doing to their cars. One thing in our favor, is the age of cars, and the fact that less attention will be paid to them if their kept in good running order.

racerb

[hoffledp]

86er said:

I got my JDM motor for 475 long block. I just got USDM intake/exhaust manifolds, and swaped ever thing over, but that was for an 86 motor, if you get and 86/87, you can do this, but if your car is an 88 and up, then you have to do a head swap, not worth the effort in my book.

the whole swap for me, from a 2se to a 3sge, was about 600bones. not bad for the power i got out of it.

I just got an '86 GT with the 2se.. I want to swap to the 3sge, considering my motor is practally shot, but i need some help..I am mechanically incliened, but can you tell me what all you needed (other than the motor, ECU, Harness) to to the swap and where to get it? I have an 87 with a shot 3sfe, but a good 5 speed. will that tranny work? email me back at [e-mail] with any suggestions.

[blck87gtconv]

hoffledp said:

I just got an '86 GT with the 2se.. I want to swap to the 3sge, considering my motor is practally shot, but i need some help..I am mechanically incliened, but can you tell me what all you needed (other than the motor, ECU, Harness) to to the swap and where to get it? I have an 87 with a shot 3sfe, but a good 5 speed. will that tranny work? email me back at [e-mail] with any suggestions.

No way, dude. You've got to check back for our advice.

Anyway, the tranny will bolt up, but the starter will need to be moved to the oposite side of the flywheel. The starter sits under the exhaust manifold on a 3sge. The gearing isn't as aggressive either, but that's a good thing, imo.. fuel efficiency is a bit of a priority for a pizza driver . As far as what all is needed, you'll need the engine, the ECU, the wiring harness, and all the tools to get the job done... not to mention buckets and buckets of patience. Alot of times, if you get a JDM engine w/ECU and harness.. it will come with the tranny.

[racerb]

Hey If your tranny bolts right up and your starter has the proper rotation to start the 3SGE, then leave it, cause it's in a better location. What I mean by that, is that the starter location on the 3SGE is right under the exhaust manifold, and is constantly being heated. Heat is the enemy of electronic parts, and is the killer of most starters. Like I said, If your starter will work with the new engine, use it. By the way, I'm getting ready to do the same swap on my '86 GT, but for racing setup.

racerb ;D

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racerb said:

Hey If your tranny bolts right up and your starter has the proper rotation to start the 3SGE, then leave it, cause it's in a better location. What I mean by that, is that the starter location on the 3SGE is right under the exhaust manifold, and is constantly being heated. Heat is the enemy of electronic parts, and is the killer of most starters. Like I said, If your starter will work with the new engine, use it. By the way, I'm getting ready to do the same swap on my '86 GT, but for racing setup.

racerb ;D

I think it might just be a matter of placement of the wiring.. and if one is so inclined, they could alter that.. but not everyone is up to the task.

[MIGHTYMW]

i got 1 4 u , i have a fe and bought a ge, got head p-p/3 angle/mill/mach., the intake mani, will not fit did toyota make a differnet design to thier heads for an 86????and one last one(a good one) have you known of anyone to straghtin up the engine so it seats at 45degrees?

[White87GT]

MIGHTYMW said:

i got 1 4 u , i have a fe and bought a ge, got head p-p/3 angle/mill/mach., the intake mani, will not fit did toyota make a differnet design to thier heads for an 86????and one last one(a good one) have you known of anyone to straghtin up the engine so it seats at 45degrees?

So you bought a GE, tried to match it with the FE block, and now the intake manifold wont fit on the GE head with the engine in the car? Kinda hard to read what you typed.

Anyways, what intake manifold are you trying to use with the GE head? The FE and GE intake manifolds do differ slightly. I'd have to go look to see if they are different in deminsions, but the internals of each are completely different. The GE has the T-VIS inside of it.

[MIGHTYMW]

Sorry, im using the GE head on the FE block, I am really intrested in straighten the engine ,cause of the wear the engine has. due to the angle... Do you think it is possible to make a custom intake manifold with a 2 port entry setup like the MR2??

[White87GT]

MIGHTYMW said:

Sorry, im using the GE head on the FE block, I am really intrested in straighten the engine ,cause of the wear the engine has. due to the angle... Do you think it is possible to make a custom intake manifold with a 2 port entry setup like the MR2??

First off, you wont be able to straighten the engine. That would require all new mounts, and a raised hood. There is next to no clearence under there already.

A custom intake manifold, well, anything can be done with money.

[blck87gtconv]

MIGHTYMW said:

Sorry, im using the GE head on the FE block, I am really intrested in straighten the engine ,cause of the wear the engine has. due to the angle... Do you think it is possible to make a custom intake manifold with a 2 port entry setup like the MR2??

Okay, I trust that Toyota knows what they're doing more than you do.. especially considering that my 3sfe has 215K miles on the odo.. stock engine. What the hell put a notion into your head that the stock seat of the engine causes more wear?

the GE head's intake manifold has two ports per cylinder. One of them is closed off with TVIS until you hit about 4K rpms.. then it all opens up.

Maybe if you could clear up some of your typing, we'd be better able to help you.

[MIGHTYMW]

damb it was just an mod idea, excuse me, i wont post in you r fourms anymore.

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MIGHTYMW said:

damb it was just an mod idea, excuse me, i wont post in you r fourms anymore.

That's not my point.. the point is, I have never in my life ever heard anyone say that the mounting angle of the engine caused it to wear faster, and that changing it yourself would be in your engine's best interesting.

I'm one for arguing. I expected you to counter my statement with theory, facts, principles, SOMETHING other than hear-say.

[racerb]

Hey angle is important with an engine, but it's usually more in how the driveline is aligned. One area of concern with older front wheel drive cars is the fact that most have worn out engine mount bushings, which changes the overall angles from the original design. Replacing the old bushings with new factory units or even making your own urethane peices is your best bet. In only race prepared cars is it wise to radically change an engines angle from stock unless your an engineer and know exactly what will work and not put undo strain on your driveline.

racerb

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racerb said:

Hey angle is important with an engine, but it's usually more in how the driveline is aligned. One area of concern with older front wheel drive cars is the fact that most have worn out engine mount bushings, which changes the overall angles from the original design. Replacing the old bushings with new factory units or even making your own urethane peices is your best bet. In only race prepared cars is it wise to radically change an engines angle from stock unless your an engineer and know exactly what will work and not put undo strain on your driveline.

racerb

Well, sure, I don't doubt any of that. I was talking about the stock angle. If that's changed, then I'm sure you WOULD have some problems. But I've never heard of anyone complaining about the angle of the engine "from the factory" causing more wear. Like I said. I think I'd trust Toyota more.