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Post by buzzbomber87gts on Apr 29, 2005 9:10:09 GMT -5
damn 346 would be tight....ya, i was wrong about the elise....i heard something about the elise and 3sgte...maybe a swap then. some elise's run the honda motors |
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Post by phillk6751 on Apr 29, 2005 13:06:45 GMT -5
bleh, I'm now seriously worried about what I have to do with/before the swap...My three main worries are...
1) My car is an automatic. Do I need to get a manual swapped in before/with? My main worry about that was not the horsepower/torque but the controlling of the auto tranny. Does the 3sgte ECU control the auto tranny, or do I need to use the 3sfe ecu for that or what?
2) The exhaust pipe....do I need to get a custom downpipe or something installed so the 3sgte will bolt on to the exhaust or what? Is the pipe in the correct position and stuff?
3) Fuel lines? Do I need to get bigger fuel lines from the gas tank or something? or does just a better fuel pump work?
#1 is my biggest worry because I know NOTHING about transmissions except for what they do as a whole, and swapping in a manual tranny means paying $ for someone else to do it unless I can get my uncle to help me.
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Post by 4thgenceli on Apr 29, 2005 13:41:45 GMT -5
Ok.. 1. If you get the clip(half-cut) it will come with the whole front half of the car. Engine, tranny, and everything you'll need for the swap. If you are going turbo, what's the point of automatic??? Live a little, have fun, redline, burnout.. shit like that. 2.I would also upgrade the exhaust. once again, the half-cut may have the down pipe attached, but you can always have a shop custom make a exhaust. You are already gonna dump 1k+ on the swap, why not spend another 200 bux for an upgraded exhaust system? 3. No, don't need bigger lines, just a fuel pump and prolly some better injectors.(the st/gt injectors don't even come CLOSE for use with a GTE engine). Hope that helps, again... I'm not god, that's just what I know about these engines.  |
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Post by phillk6751 on Apr 29, 2005 23:13:40 GMT -5
Ok.. 1. If you get the clip(half-cut) it will come with the whole front half of the car. Engine, tranny, and everything you'll need for the swap. If you are going turbo, what's the point of automatic??? Live a little, have fun, redline, burnout.. shit like that. 2.I would also upgrade the exhaust. once again, the half-cut may have the down pipe attached, but you can always have a shop custom make a exhaust. You are already gonna dump 1k+ on the swap, why not spend another 200 bux for an upgraded exhaust system? 3. No, don't need bigger lines, just a fuel pump and prolly some better injectors.(the st/gt injectors don't even come CLOSE for use with a GTE engine). Hope that helps, again... I'm not god, that's just what I know about these engines. 1) well, the point of the automatic is so I don't have to deal with pulling the auto shifter, and getting/installing the pedals and manual shifter to the vehicle. 3) Don't the 3sgte's come with injectors? or is that something separate from the engine? also would a "rear clip" work too? you know...off an mr2 since the 3sgte came in those....or would an mr2 3sgte be a bad idea? |
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Post by White87GT on Apr 29, 2005 23:16:41 GMT -5
bleh, I'm now seriously worried about what I have to do with/before the swap...My three main worries are... 1) My car is an automatic. Do I need to get a manual swapped in before/with? My main worry about that was not the horsepower/torque but the controlling of the auto tranny. Does the 3sgte ECU control the auto tranny, or do I need to use the 3sfe ecu for that or what? 2) The exhaust pipe....do I need to get a custom downpipe or something installed so the 3sgte will bolt on to the exhaust or what? Is the pipe in the correct position and stuff? 3) Fuel lines? Do I need to get bigger fuel lines from the gas tank or something? or does just a better fuel pump work? #1 is my biggest worry because I know NOTHING about transmissions except for what they do as a whole, and swapping in a manual tranny means paying $ for someone else to do it unless I can get my uncle to help me. 1. Yes, you will have to swap. The 3S-GTE cannot control an automatic transmission, unless you go stand alone. 2. Everything after the flex pipe is ok, everything before it, yeah, you need new. That's essentially a new downpipe + flex pipe. That's not THAT expensive. With that said, if you do go with a turbo engine, you might as well open up the exhaust and do a 2.5 or 3 inch all the way back. 3. Yes, you will need a fuel pump. The bigger injectors will come with the engine. 3S-FE Injectors - 295cc/min 3S-GTE Injectors - 440cc/min That's it in a nutshell. |
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Post by buzzbomber87gts on May 1, 2005 11:33:37 GMT -5
if you are going through all the trouble of swapping the motor....why cut yourself off with an auto tranny?
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Post by phillk6751 on May 1, 2005 15:37:49 GMT -5
if you are going through all the trouble of swapping the motor....why cut yourself off with an auto tranny? I wouldn't have the slightest idea HOW to swap the tranny... I have no idea if the s53 has the same tranny mounts...how to do the pedals, and how to insert the gearbox and do the wiring/cabling whatever for all that. I'd probably have to find out from my uncle if he can help me with it, but I was hoping I'd be able to stick with the auto till I could get the car to someone to swap it out for a manual.... My idea now is to do the whole thing motor + tranny+manual swap if I can get someone to help me with the tranny. |
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Post by phillk6751 on May 1, 2005 23:36:27 GMT -5
and i read this off a link to 3sgte.... that doesn't seem too pleasing about the 2nd gen. mostly cause i have NO idea what he means  |
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Post by White87GT on May 1, 2005 23:39:39 GMT -5
If the 3S-GTE came out of a Celica, none of what you posted applies. If the 3S-GTE came out of an MR-2, then all of that applies. |
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Post by phillk6751 on May 2, 2005 0:01:30 GMT -5
If the 3S-GTE came out of a Celica, none of what you posted applies. If the 3S-GTE came out of an MR-2, then all of that applies. ooh that's good to know. So now if I was able to get ahold of a harness from a US-spec 3sgte for a 90-93 alltrac I don't have to worry about the jspec wires being on the wrong side or does the engine have to be US spec too? And pretty much the only other question I really have about the swap itself is the wiring/mixing harnesses...is it basically like that certain plugs on the 3sgte harness will be different than devices already in the bay they supposed to connect to so I must cut them from the old harness and soldier it to the gte harness kinda thing? Like for example an RCA plug compared to a headphone plug kinda deal? or what? And I guess...does an s53 fit on the same tranny mounts as the 3sfe auto tranny does or do I need to find some at a u-pull-it for the s53...or is there a better tranny for the swap...i'm sure Jeremy might have a good idea of what I should put in it...especially if i plan on modding it to over 300+ hp later on |
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